Guess what, it takes WIND to make them work.

From Rush

http://www.livescience.com/environment/080715-wind-powered-town.html

Down the road when we find out that windmills have failed because we can't count on when wind will blow or store the energy, the people that were responsible for it will never, ever get blamed. We will only be able to talk about their good intentions, not the failed results. This is how leftists excuse every failure

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Originally posted by RAM-Page:
Down the road when we find out that windmills have failed because we can't count on when wind will blow or store the energy, the people that were responsible for it will never, ever get blamed. We will only be able to talk about their good intentions, not the failed results. This is how leftists excuse every failure

You're not looking at the "Big Picture"

We'll have big electrical fans that will be blowing constantly to propel the windmills. and the windmills will provide the energy to run the fans, and will pay for itself. And everybody will "feel" good about that because we're doing stuff to "save the environment".

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Originally posted by RAM-Page:
Down the road when we find out that windmills have failed because we can't count on when wind will blow or store the energy, the people that were responsible for it will never, ever get blamed. We will only be able to talk about their good intentions, not the failed results. This is how leftists excuse every failure

You're not looking at the "Big Picture"

We'll have big electrical fans that will be blowing constantly to propel the windmills. and the windmills will provide the energy to run the fans, and will pay for itself. And everybody will "feel" good about that because we're doing stuff to "save the environment".

Oh yeah, I forgot. I think there is even plans for hand cranks for the blades in times the wind isn't blowing and we'll pay government employees to live near by so they can run out and crank them.

I say this in all honesty. You need to get out more RP and see more of this great country as with the knucklehead that called Rush. The wind farms in Texas and Oklahoma are in locations where the yearly average daly wind is 10 to 15 MPH. The wind farms near my rental have been up for 2 years and has had no down time or lack of production due to lack of wind. Only mechanical and TOO MUCH WIND have shut them down. They have clutch systems and small motor that is powered by stored power from the wind that gets them started after a shut down until the wind takes over.

They have been a documented great success in their 2 year existance. I see them every day in operation. So what ever sarcastic come back you want to try, save, your dead wrong on this one and proves republicans can act just like libs when it comes to acting like sheep.

Uh you can't store power from the wind.

The electrical can't store power, it either makes or it don't.

Those big blades you spinning are just feel good gizmos.

Maybe a couple of fans to run one house and power grid backup, but really!!

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Uh you can't store power from the wind

So what are you saying Ken. This is just another conspiracy or do you have facts. One of my customers is a win farm and they have about 2K windmills. I've seen the containment system. There is a place in Iowa that stores in some sort of aquafir underground.

Why are a lot of the big oil and coal companies investing so much in to wind? Hell T Bone Pickens, maybe one of the most succesful oil men in this country is promoting wind power.

If you want a conspiracy, you need not to look any farther than solar power. 70 years and we haven't been able to make it afordable for everyone to retro-fit their house? Even if it supplied 30% of your electricity it would be worth it.

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Why are a lot of the big oil and coal companies investing so much in to wind? Hell T Bone Pickens, maybe one of the most succesful oil men in this country is promoting wind power.

And why are rich people investing in Global Warming and Carbon Credits? Why the hell are we spending millions (probably trillions) on finding life on other planets when there is NO proof of it? Why did someone invest so much into the Edsel?

Here's more if you're interested.
http://encarta.msn.com/quiz_290/failed_inventions_quiz.html

Failed Technologies
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=...ic&articleId=9012345

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T-Bone Pickins
Monday, May 19, 2008


T-Bone Pickins, an oil billionaire, was just on CNN promoting what would be the world's largest wind farm, to be built by him using his own money, in Texas. Good Ole T-Bone said - among other things - that Saudi Arabia was already pumping as much oil as they can(so don't blame them), and that we(the United States) didn't have much oil left.

Several red flags starting flying immediately:

Red flag #1: T-bone has made his fortune with oil... he has a vested interest in keeping oil scarce and expensive.

Red flag #2: The Saudi big wigs told us just last week they were pumping enough to supply the present demand, and they denied Bush's plea to pump more(which they easily can) to ease up on the prices

Remember that? Bush just went over to Saudi Arabia to literally beg them to increase output(which everybody knows they can), except for maybe oil billionaire T-bone Pickins.

Red flag #3: Just two days ago CNN reported that the United states had enough oil - right now, today - to provide energy for 100 million homes and 160 million cars for SIXTY years.

That does not include the billions of barrels available in our shale oil deposits.

Red flag #4: Wind generators are expensive and very high maintenance. Like ethanol, it takes a hell of a lot of money and effort - a steady flow of both - to get a single kilowatt out of a wind farm.

Red flag #5: T-Bone claims he will build this wind farm with his own money. If you believe that, you don't need to be reading any of this.

Red flag #6: He wants to build it in Texas, where's there's lots of high winds. Well, hell yes, lots of tornadoes also.

That's like building your house in a flood plain... you're gonna get hit... and insurance companies won't touch you.

This CNN "program" with T-Bone was so full of bull sh*t it was hard to watch, but I hope these six red flags will get you to start thinking about all this con-artistry the big boys are - and will be - trying to get away with during this energy crisis, all of which will cost us dearly and make them a lot richer... and won't solve a single problem.

How the hell will a wind farm help with the gas problem? TODAY? We would need to get rid of every gas-guzzler and diesel semi-truck rig on the highways today and convert to electric vehicles and hybrids to use any of this wind generated electrical energy. How long - and how much money - would that require?

How the hell will a wind farm help with the heating oil problem in the east? TODAY? Every home using heating oil today would have to rip out their present heating system, replace it with an all-electric one, and then, the power companies would have to run miles and miles of new power lines to handle the load. How long - and how much money - would that require?

T-bone is just looking for another way to make another billion or so. There must be a lot of CNN bigwigs that own stock in Pickins companies.

http://thegundeck.blogspot.com/2008/05/t-bone-pickins.html

http://www.star-telegram.com/104/story/761664.html

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Originally posted by CHEMIGO:
So what ever sarcastic come back you want to try, save, your dead wrong on this one and proves republicans can act just like libs when it comes to acting like sheep.

And how does this help fuel our trucks again? Oh sorry, just one of those sarcastic questions.

And HOW DARE T Bone Pickins make SO much money. He's just ONE man. How dare he. Who the hell pays ONE man so much money? Sound familiar? Chemigo, sometimes you just make me smile.

The United States, which is considered a pioneer in wind, added more generating capacity in 2006 than any year on record. With 11,575 megawatts, the United States is the world’s third largest wind country, after Germany and Spain, and it is adding more capacity than any other.

Now, what has happened to the gas prices after all of these wind mills were put in since 2006? Oh, SORRY, another sarcastic comment by me.

And how is Algore going to make money off carbon credits if wind is the answer?

Reliable?

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You are a closet liberal. You can not debate facts without comming back with stupid as remarks that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. Then you post a picture of a wind mill in Europe, 1 by the way and denounce all wind mills. That is exactly what liberals do.

Why are you attacking Pickens and what does any of this have to do with how much money he makes? No where did I say anything about how I felt about how much money he has made. It's not like he is my hero or anything. He did blast Kerry and supported the good guys in the swift boat deal. He's just a person who has stepped forward. Someone has to and who ever does is going to make money. So what? I don't care if it's T Boone or RamPage. I don't like it but if it's going to happen no matter what I think, I'm not going to get worked up about it. I wasn't worked up about Rush either. I thought I made that pretty clear. Doesn't matter. Because he makes an ungodly amount of money has nothing to do with anything. I meerly pointed out that an OKLAHOMA OIL MAN beleives in it so much he is willing to generate revenue in TEXAS. This is something you wouldn't understand becaue you don't know or understand the rivalry. BTW, that extra drilling that we all support, hey someone is going to get richer off that too. So flippin what? It has to be done.

What does gas prices have to do with windmills? So because it doesn't put gas in your tank we shouldn't explore other options? What a dumb ass notion? So no more Nuclear? It's all about gas? No it's also about people paying over $300 a month in electric bills and $280 for heating oil 3 or 4 times a year. If less crude is used to make heating oil, it will make more crude available for gas "for our trucks" thus reducing the price. You really don't see that do you?

The tornado comment is just plain stupid. This from someone who lives at the bottom of an active valcano??

Another liberal thought is your red flag #4 and 5. Expensive and high maintenance? It takes 5 years for each windmill to pay for itself. By the same token if you used mass transit to get to work on a 20 ($780 a year) mile roundtrip it would take you around 30 year before your truck ($24K) paid for itself figuring maintenance costs, fuel, initial price and so on.
As far as high maintenance. Well I'm sure when these things first came out there where bugs that needed to be worked out. Just like everything that is new. There is a team of 10 guys that are responsible for the maintenance to the 2K windmills in my area. I'm thinking there would be a lot more if they were that hard to maintain. I call on them once a week. Most of the time they are sitting in the control room monitoring the systems. Not much maintenance. There is a new blade comming out that is more durable and lighter and they will be swapping the old blades out just like a TCTO on an aircraft. That's progress isn't it. You develop something then refine or improve it.

Red flag 5 sounds just like B-HO's stance that it will take 7 to 10 years before we see any results of new drilling. Really, you don't see the comparison?
Red flag 3 - Huh? So why are you jumping all over libs for not supporting drilling?

Another closet liberal clue. Man you seem to be watching a lot of CNN.

Thanks Chemigo, you saved me a lot of typing. Man will never be able to fly either.

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Man will never be able to fly either

And the computer will be too big and bulky to have a practicle in home use.

As long as there are politicians, there will be plenty of wind...

Here's my problem with wind power:

It is being advanced as ONE of the remedies to cure "Man Made Global Warming" which is predicated on a false premise. It's a fools errand, and will result in higher unemployment, and limit the freedoms of all US citizens.
And the easier we give in to the premise of "windmills are part of the cure" advances, the quicker we'll be a truly socialized nation.

Socialism will happen incrementally and this is just part of it.

And as far as T-Boone Pickens being an oil man, and investing in Wind power. He's a business man first, and sees the writing on the wall. A Democrat controlled house (very enviro-friendly) and the high possibility of a Democrat President (enviro-friendly on STEROIDS). He didn't get rich selling "widgets".