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i went to the track yesterday with full intentions of running some high 14 second passes.since my previous best was 15.1 and i have since added pacesetter mid tubes and a new y pipe with 2 40 series fm's and dual's i expected at least a few tenths gain.instead my first pass was 15.5 and i ran twice more getting 15.8 both times.the only reason i didnt go home totally unhappy is that i ran a chevy 5.3 the first two runs and beat him,and a dodge hemi ram that looked identical to mine except for his chrome wheels.he claimed it was completly stock but when we left the starting line his tires lit up in smoke,which was fine because i hooked up and left him there.it may have been his tires,but his "stock"exhaust note was louder than mine.lol.
2008 electric blue hemi quad cab lone star edition, Performance mods; pacesetter mids,custom dual exhaust, flowmaster 40s,magnaflow cats, k&n CAI, comp 260 cam,mildly ported heads,6.1 springs,6.1 pushrods,diablo preditor,custom tuned by inertia, power wire, powerdyne tb spacer, jet 180 therm, jetstream air scoop, egr restriction plate, zex n20,ngk 4506 plugs,and 4.56 posi. Dress up mods; westin nerf bars, undercover tonue,swing out tool box,and chrome mtto wheels. |
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I would guess that the headers leaned out your air/fuel ratio. Either that or they started to and the computer overcompensated by richening it up too much. In either case I think you'll find the cure in a different tune that takes headers into account. It really sucks to put something on the truck to go faster and end up slowing down!
2009 SLT hemi regular cab 2wd 1998 quadcab diesel dually, has run 14.67 at 98 mph granny shifting the 5 speed. 450 hp/920 ft lbs at the wheels. Internally stock motor with 271,000 miles |
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"Phil" Treasurer Texas Chapter |
How long had your headers been on before taking it to the track? The computer needs time to learn. Also changes in weather temp and humidity make huge differences.
____________________________________________________________________________ 06'-Ram-Hemi-Pearl Black-Magnaflow-AEM CAI-Diablo CMR Tuned By Mike W. @ tuningsuperstore.com 06'-Magnum R/T-Hemi-Pearl Black-Magnaflow-Diablo Tuned Ram in Action Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.... Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. |
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"Jay" HTC Man of the Year - 2009 President, South Carolina Chapter HTC.com Engine Specialist |
2003, Std. SWB, SLT, 20", 4:56 gear, AFE CAI, Superchip, 6.1 cam, 6.1 heads, Manley springs, retainers, pushrods, Edelbrock Hedders, 195 T-Stat, 8.2 Taylor, AEM, Power Wire, ARC-1,Amsoil Everything, and more. Veni Vidi Vici HTC.com Titan Killer Club |
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My guess is that it's the weather. After my header swap I did the same thing. Like 2 days after I got my headers on I went to the track, high 70s and humid. I only ran .07 better than I did a month or 2 before without headers but it was about 50 and dry.
And I haven't been to the track in over a year so I don't really know how the weather affects 1/4 mile, but before my headers the best I could run 0-60 was 7 flat on a cold night. Now on a cold night I can run 5 flat but in 70+ and humid the best I can pull off is about low to mid 6 second 0-60s. The weather makes a huge difference in our trucks 1959 Buick Electra 4 Door Sedan 1959 Pontiac Star Chief 4 Door Hard Top 1976 W200 Dodge Power Wagon 383/ 727 4x4 1986 W100 Dodge Power Ram 318/ 4 speed 4x4 2007 Dodge Ram Single Cab Long Bed - almost no options except posi and HEMI! www.Pontiac-59.com |
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yeah,you guys may be right about the weather,my origional runs were in 60 degree weather.this time it was mid 70's and humid.as far as my computer having time to learn my headers,its been like 3 or 4 weeks.i know ill be faster next time though my zex will be hooked up by then.
2008 electric blue hemi quad cab lone star edition, Performance mods; pacesetter mids,custom dual exhaust, flowmaster 40s,magnaflow cats, k&n CAI, comp 260 cam,mildly ported heads,6.1 springs,6.1 pushrods,diablo preditor,custom tuned by inertia, power wire, powerdyne tb spacer, jet 180 therm, jetstream air scoop, egr restriction plate, zex n20,ngk 4506 plugs,and 4.56 posi. Dress up mods; westin nerf bars, undercover tonue,swing out tool box,and chrome mtto wheels. |
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President, Michigan Chapter Truck of the Month October 2008 |
was the weather change that made you go slower
____________________________ RCSB 4x4: 6.1 based 418 C.I. 4.56's, 6.1 heads, APS TC, BFI & 273 cam. 1/4 : 12.52 @ 108 www.nadodge.com |
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thanks dline,i hope so,id hate to think im spending all this money and losing ground lol.by the way i was drooling over those j&m heads,i just didnt have the bucks.how are your new heads 6.1 s arnt they?give you a good boost?
2008 electric blue hemi quad cab lone star edition, Performance mods; pacesetter mids,custom dual exhaust, flowmaster 40s,magnaflow cats, k&n CAI, comp 260 cam,mildly ported heads,6.1 springs,6.1 pushrods,diablo preditor,custom tuned by inertia, power wire, powerdyne tb spacer, jet 180 therm, jetstream air scoop, egr restriction plate, zex n20,ngk 4506 plugs,and 4.56 posi. Dress up mods; westin nerf bars, undercover tonue,swing out tool box,and chrome mtto wheels. |
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HTC.com Audio Consultant |
you get better flow with the headers but your choking it with the flowcrapers, get a set of straight through mufflers and you will see
Black 2004 Qc 4X4, Superchips,comp 260 cam,home ported & milled heads,6.1 spring and pushrods, PSC1, Taylor Thundevolt 50, Edelbrock TES headers, true duals with Magnaflow, K&N C.A.I., Innovate LC1, MarkVIII E Fan, 180* t stat,Hellwig RSB, 6 X HID,sport running boards and bed accents,lund rool pan, Kenwood KNX7100 nav., R camera, 80G hard drive, 9" flip down monitor, Phoenix gold Tantrum 600.4 for Diamond Audio 4.5" dash and R.F. 5" R doors, Orion Extreme 500.4 for HCCA 6S comps front door, Precision Power DCX 1500.1 for 2 X 10" RE Audio SE, Oxygen Audio 20 Farad cap, Rammat sound deadner, tons of wires |
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I'd bet that a set headers with a set of true dual flowmasters flow better than a set of the same headers with a Y pipe and a single muffler.
So I don't think the flowmasters are his problem 1959 Buick Electra 4 Door Sedan 1959 Pontiac Star Chief 4 Door Hard Top 1976 W200 Dodge Power Wagon 383/ 727 4x4 1986 W100 Dodge Power Ram 318/ 4 speed 4x4 2007 Dodge Ram Single Cab Long Bed - almost no options except posi and HEMI! www.Pontiac-59.com |
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"Justyn" |
I am sure realistically you are going to gain a couple tenths like you expected. But, in addition, just think of the cosmetic upgrade it provides.....
Amsoil Dealer (Greenwood, IN) http://www.lubedealer.com/indyoilguy/ Ph#: 317-383-6061 05 Atlantic Blue 1500 4x4 QC Superchips, Dynomax Bullett, 3rd Strike intake, Taylor Shorties, NGK 2314 Iridium plugs, Amsoil'd out, Tinted windows, torsion lifted, debadged, billet antenna, billet fuel door, Billet front/rear cup holders, tinted 3rd brake light, Ventshades, Line-X, Alpine 9885, Kicker KS series 5.25, and 6.5 components, Kicker KX350.2 amp, Kicker 12" DVC Comp VR Future Dodge Challenger owner...if I am rich or gas prices drop.... Many mods to come....hehehe. |
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HTC.com Audio Consultant |
from the flow tests i've seen you need 4 Flowmasters to flow as much as a single Dymomax ultra Flo. http://www.dynomax.com/news/Downloads/SEMA-Flowv2.doc Black 2004 Qc 4X4, Superchips,comp 260 cam,home ported & milled heads,6.1 spring and pushrods, PSC1, Taylor Thundevolt 50, Edelbrock TES headers, true duals with Magnaflow, K&N C.A.I., Innovate LC1, MarkVIII E Fan, 180* t stat,Hellwig RSB, 6 X HID,sport running boards and bed accents,lund rool pan, Kenwood KNX7100 nav., R camera, 80G hard drive, 9" flip down monitor, Phoenix gold Tantrum 600.4 for Diamond Audio 4.5" dash and R.F. 5" R doors, Orion Extreme 500.4 for HCCA 6S comps front door, Precision Power DCX 1500.1 for 2 X 10" RE Audio SE, Oxygen Audio 20 Farad cap, Rammat sound deadner, tons of wires |
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what is your intake setup? you need to make sure you match that exhaust with a good flowin cai...
...FREDDIE... Stu's Spartan cam-Stu's Big valve heads-4.10 gears-efan-pacesetter LT's-shift kit- RamHammer CAI-true dual exhaust-Magnaflow dumped-dual DMH e-cutouts- DS Predator with custom tune-180 t-stat-Caltracs best 60ft - 1.797, 1/8th -8.26@79.65, 1/4 - 13.08@102.17 |
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